I'd love to I kind of view what I do as kind of animistic, if you've heard that expression, and that's very much how Native Americans, indigenous people see the world, the spirit in everything. And what I realized was as I started on my spiritual path that and recognizing I'm an empath and a sensitive and very emerging with nature, connected in my being and part nature being, feeling feeling like I am, that that kind of view felt most like me. And so that's sort of how I opened more and more to workingthe nature and the flowers and the trees and the land and the water. So all these different aspects. And then what also just a little bit of my story and I do have this in like my in my book, but it's this way that the different elementals of Mother Earth have apprenticed me. They would approach me at different times, like the mermaids would appear, and then the flower fairies to make the essences, and then the, the gnomes to work with our businesses. Elyssa has a little experience of that one. She was around for some of that and moving to Hawaii for a bit to work with the fire and the so a lot of my spirituality has really blended in my career and the business I created. And I know that you also are very much in alignment with wanting that and bringing forward that way. Yeah. Bringing that through. So I feel like it is my spirituality is who I am and is my business and my practice in life. So it's all very blended.

Wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. That is super beautiful and exactly you're right. What what we're about. May I ask just for people who haven't heard of animism before, do you wanna share what that means to you with us?

Yeah. It's basically believing that everything is alive. And this is really from my own experience as I went on. Like, I think earlier in my life, I would see kind of a oneness and didn't separate out things. But then when I got involved with working with very shamanism and trees and plants, I realized, oh, they're kind of talking to me. It became kind of a whisper in the land and the different spirits and the ancestors. And so as I opened to these different voices and listened and realized I could hear it and hear them, then there was relationships formed and not just with the mother earth and her spirit, but also these individual beings that were coming forward. And so animism to me is just that ability to communicate and honor and respect and have a reciprocal relationship between a tree and yourself or a fairy and yourself and being open to, though, that language of nature. And that may not be English or words or may just be feelings. Right? But there is this I think most of us recognize if we go to a place we love in nature, we can feel something or have some kind of experience. To me, that's that relationship, that honoring and that respecting, that stewardship. Right? I know this is all about that. Like how do we show up? And I just have to say, I just so love that you guys are doing this and approaching it this way, approaching your whole work and sharing it. I was just with a tree sister yesterday and we were talking about the old style of business in this world. And to me, it really is old now. And, like, it's capitalism. It's aggressive marketing. It's all these things that I never could do well. Right? It's like playing Monopoly as a kid. I sucked at it. Right? And that's kinda what we think or thought was required to do well. And so I love that you're bringing through the softer, more feminine, more gentle way, how we create. And I am totally right in alignment with that. And it feels like the spirits of nature want us to be like them and be with them and be in communication and not keep trying those old ways. Right?

So beautiful. Yes. And this makes me think too, like, over the years, Camilla and I kind of are little business gnomes, executive fairies for each other. Those are the words. And often, it's like we will tune in together, kinda go into meditation together and get messages, and they'll often be like, you need to play more, or you need to enjoy more. And it's so clear that that, like, really one of those abundant secrets has to do with, like, play or how are you tending to yourself or how are you nurturing yourself. And Camilla, from what I've seen and experienced too, so much of your work is about nurturance and, you know, holding holding yourself and others and the land and nature spirits with so much compassion and love. And, yeah, I just wanted to reflect that.

Thank you. It reminds me, can I just share a little note thing when we were working together in my I had a unicorn garden, which is a whole other story, but we were really doing a lot of work about abundance and business, and how does this work, and how do we do it, and how do we bring more of the spirit of nature and those relationships? And and so the gnomes, those spirits, they came they came in and they were giving us very specific messages. And, for example, they told me focus on mentorship. That was one of the messages. And the other was, we have colors for your new website. So they picked the colors. I actually just changed them. For for years, I had forest green and a dark purple. And they're like and oh, and gold. And they're like, these are the colors you need to put. They're really into color. And I don't know if there's something you want to share, Elyssa, but it was fun, like, getting very specific because they're earth elementals. So they're very physical and they're into abundance. Right? They mine for more treasures.

Yeah. Completely. And it was so funny because we had this, like, kind of sister nature retreat, and so much of it, we ended up getting downloads for our businesses and branding and visuals and what we're putting out in the world. And it was kind of this very beautiful blend of, like, yes, you can walk and tend and steward the earth and, like, taking action from that inspiration. And I with that too, it's like that phrase earth walking or earth tending, stewarding. I feel like those are all concepts I've heard from you, Camilla. So I'd love to ask you too. How do you conceptualize being an earth steward or walker? What are the words that are alive for you in that practice right now?

Yeah. I was been playing I'm always playing with words too, but I know you are too. The, earth walker word really came in strongly. And it was especially when I was moving around a lot. I was like, moving to Hawaii and back, living here and there, and then not living anywhere and traveling. And I'm like, oh, yeah. This is really earth, like, moving lightly on the earth, traveling, being in different locations, receiving medicine from the land and the plants in different places. And then lately, I've been in what I call Earth Keeper because I'm living in one place and I'm kind of especially during the pandemic. Right? Kind of settling in one place and attending what's here and around. So I'm like, I'm kind of more in an Earth Keeper phase, I feel. So I think a lot of people can relate. Right? I know. Elyssa you travel a lot around. So but there's different phases for what kind of stewarding we're drawn to and maybe different stages of our life, what that looks like, are we gardening and or tending land that we're gonna be on for, you know, years, or is this just a place for the day that we want to, think into and honor for spirits there? So, yeah, I think people use different words, but those are some I've been playing with.

Thank you. And Camilla, just for some context for our listeners and for them to hear how kind of beautiful and powerful the work that you do on land is, can you describe a bit your the land mentorship or the types of, ways you help others steward the land that they, that they're lots of the word steward, but steward the land that they're stewarding.

Yeah. For sure. I call that work land alchemy, and that includes everything from helping do it, doing sessions or ceremony remotely or on the land, and also teaching students, mentees how to do that. Like, I have that in my Patreon community. I've been doing that for quite a while, and it's such a rich and beautiful experience that helping people really make relationship where they live with the land, with the spirits, the ancestors, often a lot of, indigenous ancestors, berries, tree spirits. There's all this, like, unseen realms of nature wherever we are. And many of us who are intuitive and sensitive may tune in already or have relationship, but there's this beautiful way we can build that. And what that does is really kind of awakens the land. It awakens places and helps it feel good and have a more communication for what the purpose of the land is. What does the land want? Where does it want its gardens? How does it want to interact with you? And then part of that is a lot of shamanic practices and protocols that are, like, clearing the old energy. A lot of places have ghosts or they have historical imprints where they have peoples that, you know, had difficult experience there and aspects of their soul or just a lot of kinda energetic debris or things that can gather on land. And it's such an interesting thing. I've had a lot of experiences with this, where we're doing land clearing and harmonizing and really calling in the land council, which is all the spirits there to do it with, with me and the people that are there. So it's this beautiful dance, but it's often such an interesting thing because let's say someone's had a lot of weird things going on on the land, you know, and there's been like, oh, people lived here. You know, there was a suicide or there was abuse. So there was, you know, these ghost hauntings or, or even just more subtle things like issues with water is very common, like the pipes or something or floods or clear claim. So what happens is when land has gone through trauma, just like we, our bodies, when we've had trauma, it all lives in the physical, that energetic experience. Right? It's same as like us. It can live in our body until we heal and surface it and bring resolution or and the same with the land. I really used a lot of my energy healing with people experiences and found, oh my god. The Earth is so similar. Like, there's this trauma and these places and their portals, which are like chakras, right, that also create a lot of circulation of energy. And if they're clogged up, you know, with this history, they can create issues too. So there's just this ability to tap in that I'm teaching or intuitive, you know, the energies of what goes on on land so that we can bring clearing and healing resolution and psychopomp work, which is like clearing gums. So there's a lot of really amazing things. And, oh, yeah. The he so wanted to share on that. Like, if the land has been through a really hard experience and trauma, it will attract others that have something to do with that. Right? Like, that pattern in their ancestry or that issue or something, there's an attractor field. So I've noticed this again and again, working with land and then seeing what issues person people are going through. And then the land, you know, oh my god. If you look at the historical imprints, there's this war that went on, or there's a burial ground, or this happened here. Like or even one simple example, I was, like, doing one recently and there was a imprint historical imprint about, oh, there's all these animals that are fighting each other. They're having a big fight. And then afterwards, she goes, oh my god. We have all these cat fights in the backyard. I'm like, okay, there it is. They'll probably go away now. Right? So it's just like a really fascinating kind of investigation. I know I've worked with at least this money on in a couple places too, if you wanna ask anything there. But but it's such a gift to places onto the earth to kind of awaken. Right? Like, we're all going through this massive spiritual awakening, and we can support ourselves and the earth by doing that kind of work as well.

Super beautiful. Yeah. It makes me think I I have a lot of fun examples of of experiences we've had. One is just that teaching of reciprocity. And often when we, like, were making a flower essence or working with berries or elementals, like, Camilla creates these beautiful offerings for land or for earth, the and asks students often to offer from their heart, like, with the offering, as a giving. And to me, it's such an evidence of, like, we receive so much through that act of giving.

So as you were speaking, Camilla, so many things came to mind. The British Columbia where I live in Canada is just really seen as this, like, pristine place of beauty, national parks, etcetera. And we talk a lot about the clean energy that we have. And the clean energy is derived from eighty years ago. They being the governments of Canada and the United States got together and dammed the waterways and created, like, the place I was living before the settlers had planted, like, beautiful orchards. And before that, it had been a gathering place for indigenous nations for years because it was so fertile. And when the dams hit, they they flooded so many areas that have been, you know, fertile grounds for millennia. And then on top of that, of course, there's clear cutting. And then so that's where I am. And then also, I mean, as a culture, since, you know, the scientific revolution and before, we have been living in this world where, you know, I think Hobbes said that, you know, the life of mankind is nasty, brutish and short, and we need to, like, literally said we need to, like, rape the earth in order to, like, bring it forth, like, bring forth abundance and a better, easier life for mankind. So as you were speaking, all of this so much came flooding through. And I wondered how you might offer to people of this time, regardless of our cultural descent, but maybe also based on our ancestry, how we can start to give back. I think that you have a quote, you have a quote, you know, we're not trying to heal the earth. We're trying to heal our relationship with, like, how can we start to do that in small ways? And also in relation to this idea of our businesses as, as entrepreneurs, how can we start to, because I'm not all against the idea of capitalism, but I am really having difficulty with the idea of greed and power over. So how can we start to be in exchange with each other in the earth in ways that begin to work with those imprints that ourselves, our ancestors, and our nations have left on the earth.

Yeah. There's a lot of to that question, so I'll do the best. But one of the things I would say is, first of all, is to really honor your own ancestors, honor the path. If you feel like there's a lot of healings of shame and guilt and negativity about being a human, I think there's some real healing there to do about that you do matter, that you are important, that that nature you are part of nature and co creating with nature and the earth and business and everything is, like, where we are and going towards. So I think, like, being really gentle and compassionate to our own journey with this. Because I know a lot of people worked with and just some of the things you said, like, we feel like, oh my god, as humans, we're, like, villainize ourselves. Right? Because of the rates of the forest and all these horrible things. But to understand in a really compassionate way, like, we've been locked in this matrix of kinda brainwashing that's taken us away from the truths of our humanity. And so I think that kind of healing with our ancestors and ourselves and our own, like, knowing we matter and, like, it makes a huge difference for one person, for you to go down to the river and pray, let's say. Just go down and love the water and, bring some flowers. The mermaids love yellow flowers and crystals, you know. So that's sort of at the beginning. Right? Because I think there's so much healing we all have about guilt and shame and all these ways. Like, oh my god. Like, humans, clear cut, and all that. Right? And, you know, the fairy realm and the the nature realms, they see into our hearts. They see who we are. They know. And I've had experiences of, like, working, living a land, my son out on this river and, like, doing all this stuff. It's where I met the mermaid and with nuns and all these things. And then years later, I brought my friend back there for a visit. And as soon as I got there, we both just started weeping. And it was like all the fairy realms and all the spirits there came to say, hey, Camilla. It's nice to see you again. And it's like, okay, they know who we are, right? And they know who I am because I love them, I care for them, and I leave offerings. I ask permission to go places to enter places, like certain basic practices of reciprocity. And so I'd say some of the basics are, offering some permission. And when I say permission, it's kind of the idea like, with humans. There's a big thing about consent. Right? That word, like, you need consent to engage with each other in certain ways. Well, if you look at nature and recognize it's alive and there's spirits around, there's indigenous guardians, there's dragons, whatever you believe in, and you look at where you go, especially like sacred lands or into forests, Like, bring yeah. Bring an offering, bring some cornmeal or flowers or mica or something that I love to use or sing holy water or sing a song and just sort of enter with the idea that you're not just a tourist. That's like one way I love to enter. Like, let's say growing a forest or even going in your backyard. Okay. I always like to enter deeper into the landscape, deeper into this experience, more heart connected, more honoring, and then just kinda pray and ask for that approach. And then take a little offering and sprinkle that on the lens. I'd like to gift this to all the spirits here to to spirits I see and the ones I don't see, you know, can be some animals to you and birds, tree, and bring your love and your gratitude. And actually, I've heard that bringing your gratitude can actually change your brain waves and drop you in to your body more into your heart, your womb, my heart, and then just ask permission. May I enter this forest or this place or this yard with a tuna to who's here, to the scared here, to the sacredness, to the unity, to the gift of this place, or whatever your prayer that wants to come through in the moment. And it's such an amazing thing because, like, we were talking about Catherine Creek earlier that at least something that, and I would go there quite a bit because it's kind of a real initiatory place to go. It's got a starch and sacred trees and a creek and lots of wild flowers. And there is this area that just felt like like a portal, like a an opening that takes you a little deeper in. It's just sort of at the top of this hill. And then as soon as you enter it, you kinda start walking down towards the creek and the trees and, like, in that arch. And whenever I get there, I'd sort of feel, oh, like, there's a little pause. So this is another thing you might notice when you're out, like, a certain kinda gateway energetically. And if you're intuitive and sensitive, just ask to feel that and go, oh, you know, I'm feeling a little, like, like, okay. This must be. And so this is just a little going deeper with it. I felt like, oh, okay. I'm gonna put my offering here. I'm gonna ask permission. And I'm also gonna ask the guardian of this land because it's a, like, a sacred place and ask the guardian land for permission to enter as well. So you can also add that if you like it. And I did that there and the guardian approached. And so every time I go, I would do that. So I have a relationship with this guardian of the land. And it's almost like, oh, hey, Camilla. You know, it's like they know you. And they're like, all of a sudden, when when I walk into that place, it's like magic opens. The land opens. The energy opens. The berries, the trees, the the experience we can have is just exponentially multiplied. Right? Because we're, yeah, not just being a tourist, which is fine to be a tourist at times. They're just walking through and looking around. But I think we're all longing for something so much deeper. We can just, like, go a little more intentional in our tourism, then we can have much more profound and initiator experiences.

Amazing. You just said so much there. Thank you so much. There's the first thing that you brought up, I think, really relates to something that's been noodling around in my brain for a while now in relation to some of the mainstream conversation around being human. And it relates to animism, which I think a lot of us believe that humans and this I'm not including myself in this, but a lot of people believe that, like, humans are bad. You know, I heard people say, like, we're a cancer on the Earth. And I feel like instead of instead of that being, like, a healing thing or like a like, a lot of people what I'm trying to say here, a lot of people think, like, you know, we're overpopulated and so we should just stop having babies and it would be better if there weren't humans anymore. And so this first thing you brought up about, like, getting in touch with our ancestors and really, like, if you're feeling that there's healing work to do, thank you. I just I just wanna thank you for that. And and also this idea that we matter and and that we're here and and we're meant to be here. And as I I believe, like, as far as if there was a religion that I was, I would probably be animist as well in that, like, I believe everything is totally alive in ways that I can't even fathom. And if everything is alive, then having respect for everything is gonna do a lot for for for moving us forward. But it starts with respect for ourselves and the role role that we can play, I believe, as the closer thing. And then, I also used to when I first moved to this area, for the first couple of years, actually, I almost sang to the lake every single day because of having read this book that just, like I was like, oh, shoot. I didn't know this about about this area. And I sang to it almost every single day, but the only water song I knew was an African song, like, Ide Wede Wede. So it was this interesting, like, oh, boy. Be good to both get in contact with my ancestors and the songs they might have sang. And also the people of this land, which, you know and and so I have spoken spoken to some of the indigenous and and asked, like, are there water songs we need to sing to her? So, yeah, I just I love those those two things. And then I think something around the the offering, the asking permission and not being a tourist. I'm sure this looks different for everyone. Yeah. And I and I I I love it, not being a tourist, but really, like and by taking ownership, I don't mean in this, like, sort of, like, settler colonial, I own this land, but, like, taking ownership for our place in the ecosystem when we go in. And I wonder if you would speak to so I study with some local herbalists and we were speaking about the I the leave no trace sort of ideology. And one of the things they said is that the indigenous people in this land actually used to steward and tend to the land. So they weren't necessarily leaving no trace. They were actually working towards betterment with the land at all times. And so I wonder I do I wonder if you have an opinion, some wisdom around leave no trace versus being in symbiosis, I guess. I wonder if you could speak to that for a moment.

Yeah. I'd love the story for this. I'm in the Pacific Northwest, and one of the plants I worked with allows camas, the beautiful flower that grows in the spring. And that native people work very closely with that plant, and they would cultivate. They were using ceremonially for in there. Right? You probably have it where you are too. And so it was just beautiful to hear how their relationship was so strong with this plant and the spirit and the ceremony, and they were so at one with that relationship that they would use these sticks and kind of, like, separate them, would grow more, like, cultivate them in the wild so that they could have more, you know, help nature grow more. And then it's a common thing. And just to share well, also, I remember meeting, like, I met the spirit of Camas at one point, and it was like an indigenous ancestor. And it was so interesting to to have the honor, like, wow, like, you're you're like a medicine person, camas spirit, and see that they would love like, the plants want to work with us. The land wants to work with us. They're like dying to work with the humans again. And our ancestors did that. We all were farmers and, you know, growing and fishing and all these things in nature. So it's really nature calling us back to be doing all these things together. So that's really the relationship nature wants from us. Right? Is to for us to remember, like, yeah, come out there, come out to the water, mountain, and fish, and and pick some berries, and and learn the trees, and go say, oh, yeah. The other piece I wanted to share, Brandon, my friend who's been a teacher, Marshall Golden Eagle Jack, and he is high in Washoe in, like, Nevada, California area. And when he's a little boy, he said all the the elders would go up into the mountains, the Sierras in California. And he's like, he'd ask his grandmother, where is it? He won't read it because, oh, they're up for the spring camping in that forest up there. So they can talk to the talk to the trees, check out what's going on. There was even box fairies that would tell them how everything was doing. And so they would check-in with the water and the plants and the treats and kind of how's everything doing this year. And then they would pray and they would have a ceremony and really honor the water every spring. Because I knew that the water that flowed down from the mountain was what fed everything. We fed the land, fed the people, fed the animals, fed the trees, went into the mother ocean. And when you told me that story, I just was like, oh my God, I would just cry. And like and I ended up traveling with him for several years doing water ceremony with people. And it was so inspired by this kind of grandmother energy of praying and bringing that sacredness back and remembering. And we are part of this experience of the earth. It's just we got constantly connected. And I don't know if there's something else you're asking, but I just sort of went on a roll there. So if there's something else there.

No. That's amazing. Also, that is the same plant spirit that my teachers were speaking about when they when we spoke about because we're I'm in Pacific Northwest too. When we spoke about, like and and that we only know so little. Right? We only know so little of the stewardship that was that was happening in those times as well. So, yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing. I love this idea of singing to the water up high. And then it nourishes everything. Yeah.

Yeah. And I wanted to share too, like, these practices, just a little bit can go such a long way. Just one offering in nature, you can feel immediately a shift if you or at least that's how I've experienced it. Like, we give and give our hearts to the land when we enter it, and we receive these for me, it's like a rush of energy through my whole body and through all of me. And so it's like it doesn't necessarily have to be it it can grow into a larger practice and any small moment or small offering we make can create a change. It's on the level of that individual is deeply powerful.

Yes. Definitely. I mean, it can be as simple as gratitude practice, right? Going outside and being grateful, putting land around the tree.

Yeah. I love it. I really think one thing I'm gonna highlight in this episode is that it's possible that the spirit of disconnect from all of the everything is the reason that we are, you know, acting more exploitive exploitative tentatively. I don't even know how to say that. Exploiting the Earth rather than, like, being in relationship with her. And that maybe as human beings, whether we live in, like, you know, the concrete jungle of the city where we're lucky enough to be close to the Earth. What do we try to say? Close to the more wild living spaces that recognizing that we are the Earth earthing as ourselves and that we are in relation with all beings on the Earth and that everything is alive, that even just bringing that awareness in and tending to it is likely to, you know, cultivate this movement of being stewards or Earth walkers or Earth tenders rather than Earth exploiters. Yeah. I'm wondering wondering if that if that I

never really think, like, whatever spiritual practice or religion or anything, a lot someone is connected to or resonates with. To me, it really just comes back to idea of oneness that we are all one and that we are, like, each cell in a massive organism of earth and experience of life here. And so, yeah, that's kind of been my experience and what I see with, yeah, different spiritual practices, right, that we're not really separate. And I think as we move from a more 3D awareness, right, and into more of our spiritual awakening and evolution that's happening. You know, variances in that, whether we're super aware what that means, that it is bringing us into that space of, yeah, more community, less high focus, more we, us, community. And and, even with our businesses, you know, how we, cross pollinate, how we connect, how nature can help inform the way that we want to relate and support and work with each other. Right? And now our businesses and, and how we wanna share it and that everyone can be abundant. There's no, like, need that. It's, you know, one person can have everything and no one else, like, in this new world we're creating. Right? We're we're leaving abundance and prosperity for all success for all, just that each of us get to express whatever it is that's who we are and who we be and celebrate that. Right? And that everyone can be supported and then doesn't have to be so rigid in certain ways and and greedy and yeah. And they kind of paired on with we're creating it or so for a new earth.

I love it. Camilla, can you tell us where our listeners can learn more from you? For example, I know that you are also launching a podcast, so I love for you to tell us a little bit about that podcast and what you are going to be, bringing out in it. I also know you have a book. I'd love to hear about that. Yeah. Places people can connect with you as well as if you have one or two ways that we might be able to, whether we feel intuitive or empathic or not, begin to invite in that connection with the Earth.